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20 Stunden her

This week in the #USA

#USA

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N. E. Felibata 👽 hat dies geteilt

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Amina

16 Stunden her

Whatever happens, let's keep positive and noit freak out! (I know this is easy to say from the other side of the ocean)
As an answer to that little piece of music above, I'm giving you here an orchestra version of John Cage's 4'33" . It doesn't get faster. Hope you can enjoy!

- YouTube

Auf YouTube findest du die angesagtesten Videos und Tracks. Außerdem kannst du eigene Inhalte hochladen und mit Freunden oder gleich der ganzen Welt teilen.

^youtu.be

Andreas Geisler

16 Stunden her

The coughing and rustling in 4'33" is very soothing.

Amina

16 Stunden her

It's better to keep calm. What can we do about things? As a German citizen living in Germany I can't even go voting in the US, though I fear its outcome might have implications for the rest of the world. The extreme right is already rising all over Europe, and if Trump wins it will push them forward.

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Andreas Geisler

15 Stunden her

What we can do is to finally get the right wing extremist voices silenced on social media.

And in the corporate-owned media as well.

There's no freedom to lie.

And there's no freedom to inflict harm.

We can ban those voices, and if we don't, we will lose our democracies.

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Amina

15 Stunden her

Your suggestion means curing the symptoms rather than dealing with the root of the problem.

To my opinion, right wing extremism is not going to vanish if people are silenced. To the contrary, it will radicalise them even more.

Secondly, more authority over speech may turn against the people, silencing the wrong ones in the end.

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Jess Nut

8 Stunden her

Yeah, the same tools used to silence Trump supports would also be used to silence pro-Palestinian protestors. When people in power get to decide a wrong side or a right side, or designate who is protesting and who is rioting... We have laws in place to handle incitements to violence, hare speech, etc. We just need the powers that be to actually use them. Right now they aren't bothering because they don't want to make waves in case Trump gets elected, or because Republicans in power will just dole out pardons.

Andreas Geisler

8 Stunden her

They already ARE being used to silence pro-palestine protestors.

Also, the people lobbying for genocide are part and parcel of the Trump supporters.

Look, John Stuart Mills was right about a lot of things, but we can clearly see he was WRONG about freedom of speech.

There cannot ever be a right to cause harm - that's a fundamental judicial principle since forever.

But the freedom of speech and the freedom of religion have largely been exempt, for historical and obviously incorrect reasons.

It isn't working.

Democracy is dying, because Social Media platforms are not being held accountable for the content they promote.

Idgaf what people post. If a crime is committed, the police can care about that.

But when a company uses an algorithm that promotes hate speech, then that company must be held accountable for the harm it causes.

We very clearly cannot cope with this any other way.

Jess Nut

7 Stunden her

Why is social media being held to standards that are not applied to traditional media, in person speech, etc.?

Having seen how countries that don't have freedom of speech laws, I'll take the bad with the good on that one. We can certainly expand the criteria for "incitement" laws. Yelling fire in a crowded area to start a stampede that causes people to get hurt is illegal, but yelling "secret underground pedophile ring in tunnels under DC controlled by the Jews" that causes people to get hurt is not... and we can change that.

Andreas Geisler

7 Stunden her

Social media is literally breaking society apart by promoting lies, misinformation and hate speech.

Idgaf where the ideals come from if they plumb do not work.

Allowing social media to continue as it has so far is not working.

We are dying.

Democracy is not safe anywhere.

Nobody has a fix for this.

Now: The social media platforms already have algorithms capable of silencing the really bad stuff, the antivaxxers, the racists, the fascists, the evangelical nutballs, the climate denialists.

But they don't use them, because that would silence the GOP, which is looking out for their Billionaire owners.

Jess Nut

7 Stunden her

Misinformation was spread before social media existed. It will continue to spread after. The problem is that you can't control it because it's international, and people and sites in different locations are beholden to different laws. You could have state run social media like China, that everyone is scared to use for fear of arrest and using VPNs to access Facebook or Twitter. You can have North Korea, where everyone is cut off from the outside world and any news or opinions that aren't controlled by state run media.

I get what you are saying, but the solution is not cut and dry and real world examples of implementing them are fucking terrible. Better education about spotting misinformation. Teaching better critical thinking skills to spot AI or deepfakes. How to actually do research and not just trust random satire articles that people think are news. Giving people the skills to combat misinformation will carry over to any medium it might be presented in, even if Uncle Bob makes a compelling argument about it over Sunday dinners.

When Twitter tried to block hate speech and misinformation before Elmo took over, people just left and started their own "free speech" social medias instead. Sure that lessoned their reach, but people just screen-shotted the posts and reposted them on Twitter anyway.

Andreas Geisler

7 Stunden her

Idgaf. We have tried being liberal.
Either we figure a way to silence the hate and misinformation, or we will have to have an extended period of straight up killing the people dumb enough to fall for it.

Civil war is unavoidable if we cannot fix it.

Me, I prefer silencing dumbasses to murdering them.

Jess Nut

6 Stunden her

Do what I say or I'll kill you is the same shit MAGAs say while claiming it's to "protect the children". It doesn't become okay when the other side says it either.

Amina

5 Stunden her

This is what is happening in Germany right now, concerning free speech, framed as combatting antisemitism: https://diem25.org/all-eyes-on-germany/

I haven't checked the source thoroughly, it seems to be some kind of political party, but I'd say the article gives a fair and accurate description. Thanks @Emmanuel Florac for sharing it.

All eyes on Germany - MERA25 und DiEM25 in Deutschland

The German parliament is preparing to vote on a resolution aiming to equate all criticism of Israel with anti-Semitism itself

^{MERA25 und DiEM25 in Deutschland (DiEM25)}

@Emmanuel Florac

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